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On the Road To Oklahoma

We hear NW Okie is "On the Road to Oklahoma" this weekend. somewhere in Garden City, Kansas this Saturday evening -- heading towards Northwest Oklahoma for it's Centennial Celebration next weekend, November 16, 2007.

That good-looking palomino gazing over the fence is me, "Nugget." Some people back in Northwest Oklahoma used to call me "Trigger," but NW Okie renamed me after her dad's old palomino stallion that Gene McGill raised from a colt when NW Okie was just a small child.

Anyway... that spotted paint horse grazing on hay behind me is NW Okie's painthorse, "Quoti." That is short for the Cherokee name, "Diquoti."

The youngest mare in this pasture is Maggie. She is somewhere around here. I thinks she is out in the pasture watching the dozen or so deer grazing as the 4-point buck stands guard a little ways up the sloping hill to the south pasture.

David and Duchess are watching over us while NW Okie and Sadie are on the road to Oklahoma.

NW Okie wanted me to run this past everyone and see how some of you might feel if we moved our "OkieLegacy Ezine" to Monday, instead of Saturday. We will be thinking seriously about it for the next few weeks to see what the majority of the readers feel about it. Email NW Okie at Thanks!

Hi! Ho! Silver! As they say in the old TV western movies! Remember that western on the telly?
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1950s Politics In Oklahoma

Let us take you back to Oklahoma's politics of the 1950's when Democrat, J. Howard Edmondson was Governor and was trying to redistrict the voters to reflect the growing urban population. He was also trying to do away with the County Commissioner's jobs for each of the counties and put it under a state department control.

Why this story in The Chronicles of Oklahoma, Vol. LXXXV, Number 2, Summer 2007, interested this NW Okie is because it mentioned my Dad, Gene McGill, the outspoken rural Democrat. The story was entitled "Economic Stagnation & Political Corruption in 1950s in Oklahoma."

On page 193 it mentions Governor J. Howard Edmondson pushing for a redistricting plan that would reflect a growing urban population. This measure, along with other threatening measures would threaten the traditional political influence of the rural areas of the state, where the old guard of the Democratic Party had its greatest strength. While rural legislators fought Edmondson, he removed the patronage appointments of his predecessors as quickly as possible, further alienating the old guard.

The Old Guard of the Democratic party retaliated by electing Gene McGill, an outspoken enemy of Edmondson, to be party chair. The standing tradition back then was that the governor named the party head. All of Edmondson's hopes went down in flames as voters rejected both reapportionment and reallocation of highway funds by better than two-to-one majorities in September 1960.

Following this defeat, Edmondson's opponents ruthlessly exploited his political vulnerability. Edmondson fought bitterly with the legislature for the final two years of his term, causing gridlock.

Maybe some of you might remember my father and his fight for the rural voters representation. Thanks to the "outspoken" Gene McGill, rural voters and legislaturers were able to defeat Governor Edmondson's threats.
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November 1907 - Statehood Inauguration Plans

On November 7, 1907, The Daily Oklahoman reported on this article, with frontpage headlines that read: Elaborate Preparations Are Made For First Inauguration.

Guthrie, Okla., Nov. 6, 1907 -- The ceremonies for the inauguration of Charles N. Haskell as the first state governor of Oklahoma, on November 16, the day on which the proclamation of statehood is to be signed by President Roosevelt will be made one of the greatest events in the history of the territory, according to the plans of the executive committee of the inaugural committee which met at the Hotel Lone here tonight. Thousands of people will gather on that day to see the new governor take the oath of office which will be administered by Leslie Gordon Niblack, editor of the Guthrie Leader, immediately following the receipt of the proclamation fro WAshington by telegraph. The proclamation will be read by Secretary of State Charles Filson, who will be escorted to the platform by C. G. Jones of Oklahoma city, representative-elect.

Beginning with a grand parade in which a thousand of the National Guard of Oklahoma and Indian Territory will march, and closing at night with a ball at the city hall auditorium, the day's events will furnish continuous entertainment for the visitors. Governor Haskell will make his address immediately following the reading of the statehood proclamation. The procession will then march to Electric park, where the symbolical wedding ceremony of Oklahoma and Miss Indian Territory will be preformed, the two being united by a minister. Congressman McGuire has been chosen to represent Oklahoma and in a short speech will propose to Miss Indian Territory, who will be represented by a fullblood Indian orator, upon whom the committee has not yet decided.

Immediately following the symbolical marriage of the two territories, a public reception will be tendered Governor Haskell in the pavillion. A barbecue dinner will be served at the park.

The governors of the five civilized tribes have been sent personal invitations by the executive committee to attend the ceremonies and to be the guests of the city during the time they are here. A special carriage will be given them in the parade.< br>
The following committees have been named by the inaugural committee:

Statehood proclamation -- c. G. Jones of Oklahoma City, representative-elect form Oklahoma County, chairman; Harper S. Cunningham of Guthrie, state senator-elect from the Eleventh district; W. N. Redwine of McAlester, state senator-elect from the twenty-fifth district; J. L. Langston of Oklahoma City, secretary of the Federation of Labor; J. T. Conner of Canadina, I. T.; Dr. John Threadgill of Oklahoma City, department commander of the United Confederate Veterans of Oklahoma; W. N. Harmaday of Lawton, commander-inp-cief of the Grand Army of the Republic; Karl Rohannason of Muskogee, senior warden commander of the Spanish-American war veterans; William H. Murray, ex-president of the constitutional assembly and representative-elect from Johnston county; B. S. McGuire of Pawnee, congressman-elect from the First district; C. D. Carter of Ardmore, congressman-elect from the Fourth district; J. S. Murray of Shawnee, secretary of the Farmers' Union association; Tom Wylie of Muskogee, I. T.; S. O. Daws of Shawnee, ex-president of the Federation of labor.

Publicity committee -- Omar K. Benedict of Oklahoma City, chairman, president of the New State Press association, and all members of the association.

Ball committee -- Major H. W. Pentecost, chairman, Leslie Niblack, Dr. J. W. Duke, Galen Crow, and Frank Lucas.

Executive -- Frank Dale, chairman, Leslie Niblack, J. W. McNeal, Alva J. Niles, and Galen Crow, with Orville T. Smith as secretary.

Public comfort -- Felix Adler, chairman, Frank Hindman, and J. Frank Laux.

Parade -- Colonel Roy b. Hoffman of Chandler, chairman, three assistants from each of the territories to be named by him.

Finance -- L. N. Beadles, chairman, F. H. Greer, I. R. levy, F. O. Luiz, and Harry Gray.

Transportation -- J. D. Burke, chairman, N. N. Cochrell, Santa Fe agent; C. B. Holmes, Missouri, Kansas and Texas agent; Al Hixon, Fort Smith and Western agent; and J. J. Cobb, Rock Island agent.

Barbecue -- W. K. Farmer of Muskogee and C. D. Sleeper of Wagoner county, who will be assisted by the muskogee county Democratic club.
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Denver & Rio Grande Western Railroad (D&RGW) -- Galloping Goose is the name given to a series of seven railcars built in the 1930s by the Rio Grande Southern Railroad (RGS) and operated until the end of service on the line in the early 1950s.

All the "geese" were built in the railroad's shops at Ridgeway, Colorado. The first was built in 1931 from the body of a Buick "Master Six" four-door sedan. It was more conventional in its construction than the later geese, though it had a two-axle truck in place of the front axle.

Part of the rear of the car was replaced by a truck stake-bed for carrying freight and mail; this was later enclosed and partially fitted with seating. It was used for two years to carry passengers, US Mail, and light freight before being scrapped. -- Galloping Goose - wikipedia

Rio Grande Southern "Galloping Goose"
"These pages are dedicated to photos and information about the unique rail vehicles built by the Rio Grande Southern Railroad, called "Galloping Goose".

The Galloping Goose was a product of the Great Depression. The Geese were introduced by the Rio Grande Southern Railroad as a more economical means of transporting freight, mail and passengers. The Galloping Geese added an extra twenty years to the life of the railroad, but in 1952, the Rio Grande Southern abandoned its railroad forever. All but one of these vehicles survive today, although a wonderful reproduction of Motor #1 has been created by Kark Schaeffer, for the Ridgeay Railroad Museum." -- Galloping Goose

"The Galloping Goose (actually the plural should be 'Geese'), or Motors as they were officially called by the railroad, were for sure among the most original railroad vehicles ever built. They largely contributed to the fame of the Rio Grande Southern and were its most prominent symbol from the thirties until its closure in 1951.

These engines, built during the thirties, resulted from the absolute necessity for the Rio Grande Southern, then on the verge of bankruptcy, to cut its operating costs. They were meant to replace conventional steam trains becoming too expensive to operate, and were a kind of hybrid between a car or a bus riding on railroad tracks and a truck. They constituted single-car mixed trains, cheap to operate and able to carry a small amount of freight, mail and express, and the few remaining passengers travelling between Durango and Ridgway.

The Galloping Geese were built by the Rio Grande Southern shops in Ridgway, with very little means and a lot of ingenuity, from whatever material was available, spare car parts and other used parts. There are several hypothesis regarding the origin of the weird unofficial nickname (Galloping Goose) of the Motors. One of them claims that the name came from the waddling of the Geese on the uneven Rio Grande Southern track, another attributed the nickname to the goose-like honk of the horn of the Motors, very different from the usual whistle of steam engines. All the Geese have survived until now, except one (of which a replica has been built). Among the survivors, all but one are operational and are used occasionally on the loop track of the Colorado Railroad Museum, on the Cumbres & Toltec or on the Durango & Silverton. -- D&RGW Galloping Goose -- Galloping Goose Timeline
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Nov. 1907 - Governor Frantz To Enter Congressional Race, Opposing M'Guire

This 1907 news article appeared in The Daily Oklahoman, dated November 9, 1907, with the following headlines, subheadlines: Abernathy Is Called on Carpet. Ordered to "Fire" All Deputies Who Are Democrats. Hunter to be advisor. Anti-Frantz-Hunter combination is formed at National Capitol.

Guthrie, Okla., Nov. 8,1907 -- "Republican leaders, returning tonight from Washington, DC, where they have been participating in the campaign for federal appointments, state emphatically that Governor Frank Frantz intends entering the race for congress in the First Oklahoma district, next year, against Bird S. McGuire of Pawnee, the only republican elected to congress from the new state.

Judge Bayard, T. Halner of Perry, one of the defeated candidates for federal judge, will move to Tulsa immediately and will enter the congressional race in the Third district.

Charles T. Hunter, who made the losing fight for the republicans, notwithstanding his appointment as clerk of the federal court, thinks he will remain state chairman, claiming to have taken the matter up with president Roosevelt, who told him to accept the clerkship and retain also the state chairmanship. Hunter says he told the president he would not accept, if he has to resign as chairman. Hunter's political friends believe, however, the civil service commission will compel him to resign one of the two places.

president Roosevelt called both John R. Abernathy of Guthrie, and Grosvenor Porter of Ardmore on the carpet, and told them to "fire" all democrats in their employ as deputy United States marshals, to contribute to the party campaign funds and to look to Charles E. Hunter as their political advisor. Both Abernathy and Porter were criticized severely by the president for employing democrats.

Before the Indian Territory politicians left Washington, an anti-Frantz-Hunter combination was formed with the declaration that henceforward the "Rough Rider" organization could get no help from that side of the state."
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DoubleO Sims Grocery

"During WWII when meat was rationed O. O. Sims discovered that wild meat was not rationed. He had some buffalo on his ranch outside town. He butchered them and sold the meat in his grocery store. I remember admiring the steaks and roasts in the meat counter case when I was on my paper route.It seems like it was there quite awhile. Don''t recall whether we ever ate any." -- Bill Barker - Email: - Doubled Sims Grocery Comment
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Noodling, Catfishing

"I saw the "okie noodling" episode on Dirty Jobs. I have grown up in Oregon, but my dad is an Okie and I had to ask him about it because I had never heard of it before. He recalled, when he was young, his dad and uncles taking him out to "noodle". He was young and it seemed to be a "right of passage". A way of fishing that was handed down. I know that the Okies do this and it is a way of fishing, but I thought it was pretty entertaining to watch." -- Cindy (Louthan) Powell - Email: - Noodling, Catfishing comment
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Major County (OK) Historical Society Newsletter

"I just signed in but would like to do another. I am a member of the Major County Historical Society and have just become responsible for the newsletter for the Society and 2-cylinder organizations. They will be put in one paper. Anyway, I would like to receive history about Major county that I can put in the newsletter and I am asking permission to use some of the things you have here. My snail mail is: Joyce Dumler-Hill, 402 West Cherry St., Fairview, OK 73737. Thank you for any help you offer on letting me know more about our history." -- Joyce Dumler-Hill - Email:
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Perry's Gas Is UP, UP, UP Again

"Our gas prices have risen a few cents every day or two and is now at $3.12.9, and they're talking about $4 a gallon by the end of the year." -- Roy K.
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Banquet Postponement & November Meeting Notice

"The Little Deep Fork Democratic Club Invites you to attend our November Meeting, Tuesday, November 13, 2007, 7 PM, Bristow Community Center, 10th and Chestnut>

PLEASE NOTE OUR BANQUET Honoring Harry McMillan, our 2007 Democrat of the Year HAS BEEN POSTPONED. We will reschedule For January or February 2008. Please keep Harry and his family in your Thoughts and prayers.

Our Final General Membership Meeting Of the Year WILL BE HELD On November 13th. Hope to see you there.

For Additional Information, Please contact:
Nancy Van Orden, Chair 918-367-7094 EMAIL:
Leo Howard, Treasurer 918-367-2917
Pat Thompson, Secretary, 918-367-2011
Margaret Keeter, Calling Committee Chair 918-367-3731

Little Deep Fork Democratic Club - PO Box 1144 - Bristow, OK 74010-1144
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Anadarko Website Change

"Effective immediately the new URL address for our Anadarko website will be: Anadarko website. Please make a written note of this change. Also a changing-of-the-guard is coming soon with a new WebMaster. This Old Goat is turning the ship over to a much younger and brighter guy. His name will be announced in a few days, just as soon as he can raise my transfer fee of $10.00. He will be bring fresh and new ideas to the website. This change will give me some extra time to start traveling with my military friends on a Space-Available basis. My passport is up to date so I may spend some of the winter in Hawaii and then travel Europe in the spring. I will still be emailing Anadarko obits until I can teach the New Kid how to do it." -- N. Talkington
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WWI 1917 & 1918 Photos

"WWI photo from September 1918. First row standing. Man center right with bow tie is Charles F. Sale. Is there a way to get a copy of this photo?" -- Cal Sale Email: - WWI 1917 & 1918 Photos
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Oklahoma Centennial

"Need to go the Sonic official web site and check the facts on the 1st Sonic Drive-In. While the first drive-ins were located there and also an early one in Woodward (Top Hat), the first actual drive-in named Sonic was in Stillwater and is in the same location, next to Shortcakes Diner, to this day. So the 1st "Sonic" was in Stillwater." -- Ron Barker OkieLegacy Comment

"One more person to add to the list of famous people from Oklahoma is Jack Ging. He played football at OU and is now an actor and has been in several movies." -- Opal M. (Ealey) Bates Email:
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Gateway To The San Juan Mtns

"I know the route you traveled in the San Juans well. Patty and I taught school for two years at Mancos, Colorado and made "the Loop" several times, especially in the fall when everything was so beautiful. That was also the area of the D&RGW's "Galloping Goose" run (look it up!). Thanks for reviving a memory.

And speaking of movies, back in the early '50s Clark Gable made a movie in that area also. Much of it was filmed in the area north of Durango on a guest ranch called 'El Rancho Encantada' (The Enchanted Ranch) which was run by some people with Alva connections. I can't remember their names, but my dad (who was a job printer primarily and a sports writer second) printed their brochures for them and I folded them. The movie was Across the Wide Missouri, and the fort that appeared in the film was left as an attraction on the guest ranch.

I've never forgotten those incredible fall sunsets visible from Mancos in the Fall. The sun set behind the Mesa Verde escarpment and the sky literally looked as though it was on fire. That, in turn, created an "alpine glow" on the Sierra de la Plata Mountains viewable on the east side of Mancos and turned them rosy red.

We might have stayed longer except for those interminable winters at the 7000 foot level. The old themometer dropped to -30F on occasion. Your first intake of breath on those mornings felt like it crystallized your lungs. Us old flatlanders weren't used to that!" -- JIM
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Across the Wide Missouri

"This movie was released in 1951. Clark Gable is the largely nonheroic hero of the sprawling western Across the Wide Missouri. A cunning trapper who lives purely by his wits, Gable avoids being scalped by the Blackfoot Indians by marrying Maria Elena Marques, the chief's daughter. This marriage of convenience also allows Gable to trap to his heart's content in Blackfoot territory. After bearing a child, Marques is killed by a warring tribe; the opportunistic Gable at first considers abandoning the child, but at long last does right by the boy. Adolphe Menjou steals the show as an eternally inebriated French trapper, while Ricardo Montalban and J. Carroll Naish are convincing (and noncondescending) in their Native American characterizations.

In the 1830's beaver trapper Flint Mitchell and other white men hunt and trap in the then unnamed territories of Montana and Idaho. Flint marries a Blackfoot woman as a way to gain entrance into her people's rich lands, but finds she means more to him than a ticket to good beaver habitat.

During the filming, Ricardo Montalban received a spinal injury which required a 9-1/2 hour operation and which has left him in constant pain ever since. Most of the "Native Americans" in this movie are all portrayed by Hispanic or Caucasian actors, because there was a noticeable lack of Native American actors at MGM at the time this movie was made." -- Across the Wide Missouri
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Calling ALL Alva Boys Choir Members, Past & Present

"I have contacted Glenn Diacon, Mike Rauh, Floyd Thompson, and left a message for Marvin Quinn, but I've lost touch with other members who belonged to the choir in the late 50's/early 60's." -- Terry Smith Email:
Alva Boys Choir Members, Past & Present

"Thanks to Terry Smith, I read the article and emailed Steve. I can''t tell you how many wonderful memories I have while being a member of the choir." -- Floyd Thompson Email:
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1907 - Carriers Would Observe Holiday

We found this 1907 news article in The Daily Oklahoman, dated Wednesday, Nov. 6, 1907, headlines: "Carriers Would Observe Holiday." The postal carriers were wanting to adopt a resolution asking to be closed on statehood day.

"Adopt resolutions asking that post office close on statehood day Resolutions asking that a half holiday be declared on Saturday, November 16, in honor of the admission of Oklahoma into the union, were adopted by the Oklahoma City Letter Carriers' association at a meeting in the postoffice building last night.

Following is the resolution adopted:
"Whereas, the territory of oklahoma is to be admitted into the union as a state Saturday, November 16, 1907, therefore be it.

Resolved, That in order to properly celebrate the event all postoffices should be closed for a half day on the day which President Roosevelt signs the proclamation, creating the new state, and,

Be it further resolved, that the proper authorities be requested to proclaim said day as a legal holiday for all postal employees in the new state of Oklahoma."

The annual election of officers will be held at the next regular meeting, the first Tuesday in December. Installation will follow in January. The present officers are Alf T. Whitman, president; C. A Richardson, vice-president; W. O. Thomas, treasurer and J. B. Otlen, secretary.
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1907 - Oklahoma Praised by the WCTU

It was Saturday, November 9, 1907, page 1 & 3, of The Daily Oklahoman, the headlines read: "Oklahoma Praised by the WCTU" - "All Hail New State Says One Speakers" - "Annual Session Opens" - "Adoption of Prohibition In the South Cause of Enthusiasm."

Nashville, Tenn., Nov. 8, 1907 -- "The thirty-fourth annual convention of the National Women's Christian Temperance (WCTU) was called to order here this morning in the First Presbyterian church, by its president, Mrs. Lillian M. N. Stevens of Portland, Me. Between 00 and 600 delegates were in their seats when the president rapped for order. They are here from every state in the union, several colored women being among the number. The WCTU convention held in Nashville was 20 ears ago this month.

After an organization, reports of the executive committee and appointment of committees, the president delivered her annual address, which was in part as follows:

"Two decades ago we came here, actuated by the same spirit, inspired by the same hopes, upheld by the same faith which are ours today.

Can we not take for this convention the same motto that Frances E. Willard gave to the convention of 1887: "There is nothing inexorable but love. Her ministrations in years gone by had much to do with weakening the foundations of the liquor power and today we rejoice that it cannot be said as of yore. 'King alcohol is enthroned in the realm of king cotton.'

"Each triumph over the liquor traffic gained in the southland is of national value and the temperance victories in Tennessee have gladdened the hearts of good men and women everywhere.

"Georgia's struggle, Georgia's achievement will help Massachusetts, Illinois, California and all other license states to break away from the bondage, from legalized liquor traffic.

"Oklahoma's triumph is of greater import tan we can easily comprehend. All hail to the new state which holds statehood life abstaining constitutionally from a liquor traffic.

The lawless, defiant resistance of the liquor traffic in maine, Kansas and North Dakota to an unusually great degree has been overcome. Maine still remains the most conspicuous exponent of the liquor men and the sympathizers, and undoubtedly more false statement are made in the endeavor to show that prohibition there is a failure than are made in connection with any other subject on any locality on the face of the globe.

Following the delivery of the address an evangelistic hour was held, presided over by Miss Elizabeth W. Greenwood, national evangelist superintendent.

The session this afternoon was devoted principally to the hearing of committee reports and reports of the corresponding secretary and treasurer. The last reports were of highly encouraging nature and show the union to be in a most flourishing condition.
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November 1907 - New State Notes

On this date, Nov. 10, 1907, The Daily Oklahoman, mentioned the following items in their "New State Notes."

"How many quarts of whisky will be onroute to Indian territory points from dealers in the states on November 17 (1907)?" -- Atoka Indian citizen

"Even is Chickasha didn't get the university, she gets the next convention of the Baptist association. This might be called winning the consolation prize."

"A number of saloon men at Enid are preparing to quit business when the territory is admitted to statehood, and there are some who are getting ready to be law breakers and run joints."

"The Enid Democrat complains because it has to transport its 'freight' some distance owing to an obstruction of mud and crushed rock in front of the office. We would sympathize more with the Democrat if we were not aware it is not a 'boiler plate' paper."

"Through the strenuous fight for the state capital that is being made by the El Reno American, nearly every prominent citizen in the town has been persuaded to come out flat-footed for El Reno as the only proper place for the capital -- a good move even if it goes no further than to rouse public spirit."
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November 1907 - Saloonist Plan Immediate Fight

Another news article dated November 10, 1907, Sunday, in The Daily Oklahoman, had these headlines: "Saloonist Plan Immediate Fight - One man will keep open to get a test case."

With the contention that the prohibition clause of the constitution is meant merely as a restrictive measure upon the action of the state legislature in fixing a penalty, plans are being made by the saloon keepers of Oklahoma City to test the prohibitory clause.

Legal assistance has been retained and it is said that a collection has been taken for raising funds which are to be used in carrying the case through to the supreme court of the United States. According to the plans as revealed by a bartender of one of the city saloons, one saloon keeper has been jointly agreed upon who is to keep his place of business open on Monday following the admission of the state into the union.

Arrests are expected to follow but the case will then be carried up to the higher courts for a test. County authorities have stated that all violations of the prohibition clause will be met with prompt assessment of the penalty fixed by the constitution.

It is stated that test cases will also be made from Guthrie and El Reno.

Several yearly licenses were taken out in September while Joseph Lecherle, 220 West California Avenue, secured a $500 year's license october 23, 1907 which, if prohibition becomes effective, allows him to operate less than a month.
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